The DS90DLHV is a high voltage (HV) digital servo
built on a tough hybrid case of aluminum and plastic. Equipped with
dual ball bearings and all-metal gears (for durability), it outputs 90
oz-in (+5 pounds of force) and has a transit time of 0.165sec/60° - it's what's called a standard-size servo. Standard size means it fits most .40-1.20 remote
control model airplanes.
- Specs - useful if you're curious about the raw numbers, dimensions, etc.
- Comparison - a guide regarding how it compares to other products.
- TL;DR - for the detail-oriented.
- Reviews - short and sweet with real names and places - no BS.
It's our opinion - this servo is the yardstick against which you objectively measure others in its class because it's sealed with 13 o-rings, has bronze hardpoints reinforcing the case, offers the superior cooling and strength of an aluminum center, and is held together with Allen head fasteners. So good it alters your perception of everything in its class with respect to value.
Unlike hobby-grade servos, the ProModeler DS90DLHV is built to meet military standards (and subjected to these tests).
- Shock - Test Method 516.6
- Vibration - Test Method 514.6
- Rain - Test Method 514.5
ProModeler servos are designed to center better, last longer, and perform beyond your expectations because we make them expressly to survive the abuse encountered in the real world.
The steel gear shaft upon which the gears rotate fit in a hole in the case, what's called a pocket. In cheapo servos, the steel fits into a plastic pocket but in a ProModeler servo, there's a brass insert reinforcing the plastic. You pay a little bit more, but you get a lot more. ProModeler servos are built with the expectation of a service life measured in decades!
uses these servos? In light of the MIL-SPEC and MIL-STANDARD test
methods, you won't
be surprised to learn the government has driven a lot of our product
development. They're our biggest customer. So are universities, plus
commercial UAS operators in agricultural and pipeline inspection ops.
We've branched out to the civilian world, so our customers now include
This customer is often a highly experienced modeler,
but also includes savvy beginners who realize just because the servo
will first be used in 40-size trainer doesn't mean you throw them away
when you transition to a higher performance model. Anyway, you may use
this servo in a wide array of sport
and scale models - with wingspans ranging from about 48" on up. And when we say 'on up', we're not kidding because the models in which the DS180DLHV may appear
can be spectacular!
For example, look at the photo below. This is a scratch built (meaning the plans began as a blank sheet of paper, and every rib, former, stringer, longeron, leafing and trailing edge - everything except avionics engines, etc. are built from bits and pieces. This, versus coming out of a box pre-assembled or from a kit! Anyway, this is a model of the WWII Bristol
Blenheim. It weighs in excess of 44 pounds! Just look at the details - like the rivets, the pitch change mechanism on the dummy props, venturi which on the real aircraft powers the turn and bank indicator (and other vacuum gauges). Peer inside the cockpit and recognize the work of a master modeler, a pro's pro. Then consider the work of years has been entrusted to DS180DLHV servos. And while it spans more than 144" and weighs more than 46 pounds!
This master craftsman also groks servo selection. In choosing the DS180DLHV digital servos he perfectly demonstrates understanding of the requirements based not just on how large and heavy the model is, but on how fast it flies and
the size of the control surfaces. Most importantly, because this is a
one-of-a-kind scale model involving years of effort and planning, we are humbled that he's put his faith in ProModeler servos. Do you think he understands the difference
between what something costs versus what it's worth? There's a lesson in this.
heart, servos offering 90oz-in of torque and transiting in the
0.17sec/60° range are fairly common. It's the sweet spot in performance for most manufacturers. We believe finding another that
offer everything these do is impossible to the point we believe there isn't a better servo - for the money - on the planet.
Period. No other servo offers
this level of power, precision, quality, plus tank-like durability (and nobody else lets you completely
rebuild them yourself). So if you're
an experienced modeler, and if you are mechanically 'ept' this is yet another consideration (if you can do
basic soldering but naturally, you can also send them to us for R&R if
you aren't comfortable doing these things).
components. Better servos. The formula is simple. Decisions regarding
what goes into ProModeler servos aren't made in accounting to optimize
price and profit, but in engineering. In light of what goes into
it - we believe $30 is a pretty reasonable price and we hope you agree because. Simply put, this is the best servo available for the money. Add a set to your cart. Do it now because you're going to love them!
For detailed specifications and dimension drawings, select the Specs tab above. Also, there's an even-handed look at the competition in the Comparison tab. Meanwhile, TL;DR
is chock full of nitty-gritty details - where we disassemble and show
you this servo side-by-side with a popular competitor. If you love
into stuff some find too tedious to read, don't overlook this tab.
operating voltage is 4.8-8.4V, but optimal performance is obtained with
a 2S LiPo instead of a BEC. This is because LiPos deliver the required
current without voltage spikes, noise, or otherwise adversely affecting
the delicate avionics (25C or better is recommended). After all,
synthetic orange colored Tang may have gone to the moon, but it doesn't
compare to freshly squeezed orange juice. Same thing when it comes to
feeding your avionics!
When customers mention a competing
servo, they're basically asking our opinion regarding how it compares to our DS180DLHV. What follows is a summary of our
observations. This is offered in hopes of informing your opinion while
at the same time trusting you'll judge us to be blunt . . . but fair.
workhorse of the servo industry are standard-size digital-servos
equipped with 3-pole Fe-core motors. They're used for everything from
40-size trainers through giant scale models. Thing is, figuring out
which servo is best can be hard because there are so many similar servos on the
market. The purpose of this page is to compare and contrasts the
DS180DLHV digital servo with other high quality servos. That said, this
comprehensive market survey because we're not including what are, in
our opinion, junk servos.
This, in part is because we're modelers like you. Thus, we place a high value on our models. But it's also
because we've been at this long enough to grok the the real risks posed by servo failure resulting in an
out of control model. look, there's no nice way of saying this but when a
nice ARF model costs $200-300, an engine is $125-200 (or motor, ESC,
plus batteries are $250), and four good servos are about $160, while we
understand there are some who want to believe they can get good servos for $60-80, we just don't agree. That said, there's obviously a market for $15-20 standard-size digital-servos. Thing is, once we eliminate what makes our servos better (just to make them cheaper), we're not willing to put our name on it. Bottom line? The servos presented are ones we'd consider buying for our own use if we
weren't in the servo business.
Finally, please note; because we don't hide from good competitors, while some of these cost more and others cost less than ours (and some actually outperform us in some manner), we nevertheless show them because we believe you'll judge ours are, on balance, the better servo for you. Anyway, servos are listed alphabetically.
- Futaba S3071HV - $49.99
- Hitec HS-5645MG - $39.99
- Hitec D-645MW - $39.99
- Hitec HS-5646WP - $54.99
- Spectrum A6150 - $36.99
up is Futaba's S3017HV. As modelers we've had a lot of experience
Futaba-brand servos. They're well built and reliable. The
S3017HV upholds the tradition.
Sure, theirs touts S.Bus as
a native feature but we counter with a) if you're not smart enough to
plug a servo into the appropriate channel of your receiver you have
bigger issues to worry about and b) they offer adapters for non-native
S.Bus servos so it's our opinion; for the vast majority, it's just a
gimmick. Meanwhile the DS180DLHV offers more torque, the same speed, and costs less, plus we feel ours is built better.
Here's why; they fit the steel gear shafts
directly into a plastic pockets (within the top case). we designed bronze inserts to reinforce our plastic top case. This is
important because the useful working life of a servo can easily exceed
10 years. This means the question of which servo will still be nice and
tight is a no-brainer.
Similarly, Futaba decided 4 screws was good enough to hold it together. We, on the other hand use 10 because we achieve a stiffer assembly. Stiffer is better for keeping the gears in perfect mesh even under high loads. Again, something of a no brainer. Added to which, instead of Phillips heads, our
servos use Allen-head screws.
However, a key difference is Futaba rely on a plastic center section for this servo while we believe you get more for your money with a center case that's CNC-machined from a solid billet of 6061-T6 aircraft
aluminum. You get cooling fins too because these help with dissipation so the motor
lives longer when the servo is being worked hard.
Then there's the PCB
(printed circuit board) which we protect against vibration with a
conformal coating (eyeball the detail photos within the TL:DR tab). And to protect against
environmental intrusion, we seal the DS180DLHV with
thirteen (13) O-rings (versus none for this Futaba servo). Bottom line? Experienced modelers
judge the ProModeler servo to be made better - and if you do too - then
it's game, set, match!
Hitec HS-5645MG has been around a long time. In fact, there's a
reasonably good chance you can see one at any model flying field in
America because it's such a darn good
product (and FWIW, this was our internal benchmark when designing the
DS180DLHV). To the point both theirs and ours offer about the same
torque and speed, and they even cost the same! That said; we believe ours is better.
Here's why; to begin ours is more versatile
because it can be used with a wider range of input voltages. It
also has O-rings
for water resistance - important when you're dodging rain drops from a
pop up rain shower one fine summer day (or perhaps
enthralled by float planes and re-purposing your servos for flying off
water three years from now).
what about the
programmability Hitec touts? Well, since you can reverse a
servo and set end points, etc. within the transmitter we fail to see why
it matters that you can also do it within the servo. Basically, it just
isn't that big a big a deal - not like it was back in the day when
transmitters were primitive. Not that it's totally useless, but is it
reason to justify buying what's ultimately, considered by many an inferior servo?
what we mean; beyond water resistance and a wider range of input
voltages, the DS180DLHV has an aluminum center section for better motor
cooling. It also uses 10 Allen head bolts for assembly instead of Phillips head screw. Added to this, it has a conformal
coating on the PCB for better protection against vibration, and the plastic top case has
bronze inserts which reinforce it where the steel gear shafts fit (theirs fit the steel shafts directly in plastic).
last thing; when did it become OK t market MG (metal gear) servos with a plastic
gear? We mention this with respect to the HS-5645MG because their 'metal' gear train includes a
plastic gear! It's their part #55016 and FWIW, they're sold in 3-packs
that tells you regarding its durability). Anyway, while it's still being
offered brand new, it seems even Hitec realize its day is passing
because they're making newer versions, the D546MW and the HS-5645WP - but
more about them later. Below is the Head-2-Head match-up between the
DS180DLHV and the HS-5645MG and quite frankly, we believe we run away with another win!
the D-645MW, the torque of the Hitec digital servo remains about the
same as the earlier generation HS-5645MG but they kicked the speed up a
notch - to match ours exactly. Not, if we're being honest, that there's a heck
of a lot of difference between 0.18 and 0.17sec/60
The biggest benefit most will realize with the D-645MW is the ability to run off a straight
2S LiPo at 7.4V (nominal). This is nice but we still score a win in this category
because the DS180DLHV lets you operate off a much wider range of input voltage (from 4.8 to
Otherwise, for all intents and purposes, while this is a very nice update to
the HS-5645MG it's by and large a very similar servo (reflected in the cost, which is the
same-same between this one and their older design - and ours). Frankly, we suspect few would see
anything worth crowing about because once you consider the conformal coating on our PCB (for improved resistance to
vibration), the much stiffer 10-bolt case (plus Allen head bolts vs. Phillips head screws), as well as the 13 O-rings for sealing, and especially the
CNC-machined aluminum center section, which lets a motor run cooler (for a
significantly longer lifespan when a motor is worked hard) it's just no contest when the cost is the same. Especially considering how just
as with the HS-5645MG, the D546MW has a plastic gear within the
gear train (same part number).
Next up is the Hitec HS-5646WP. It's another standard-size digital-servo in their vast lineup and it more seriously
competes with the DS180DLHV because it's waterproof. This is great if
you ever develop a interest in flying off water, believe us. Flying off water is almost as much
fun as sex (just kidding, but barely). Meanwhile, performance is about the same-same as their
other versions (and about the same as ours). Yes, the speed drops a skosh (6%) but this
isn't anything worth writing home about. They even keep the plastic gear
within an otherwise metal gear train (once again, same part number).
However, there's a rub. Hitec wants this servo to go back to their
service center any time you need the little plastic gear (or the case). Remember, they sell the plastic gear in 3-packs so it wouldn't be unreasonable to
conclude it's somewhat fragile.
Add in for postage (plus the delay before you get it back from their service center) and you better think long and hard
about getting married to this servo. Especially because this one also commands a hefty price premium of $55
vs. $40 (28% more expensive). This isn't quite 3-servos for the price of 2 but it's close.
On top of all this, theirs sports an all-plastic case, no conformal coating, and no bronze inserts for reinforcing the case where the steel gear shafts fit the pockets and once again we believe the DS180DLHV wins
brings us to the Spektrum A-6150, which is another worthy competitor to the
DS18DLHV. It outputs the same 180oz-in as the DS180DLHV
but it's faster, which can be important for
some applications. It even has a metal center section plus it's 3
bucks cheaper! Better deal? Not so fast!
begin with the gear train. They say 'metal' but if you investigate, it's metal and
plastic (look up their part #SP1003). And there's a catch because according to their website the
gear set won't be available until sometime in 2018 - hmmm.
when we say metal gears we're not bullshitting you. Plus replacement gear sets are available if you want them without waiting.
let's discuss the metal center section. Theirs is an aluminum extrusion
(formed just like a window frame is squeezed through a die - exact same process).
And it doesn't have cooling fins. Ours? We begin from a forged billet of 6061-T6 aircraft aluminum and CNC-machine it to the final form - complete with cooling
fins. Why is this important? Basically, the servo motor will last longer
(when the servo is being worked hard) because the fins help it shed heat
faster. Maybe this doesn't matter to you, but there are other factors that may.
For example, instead
of four long Phillips head screws, which totally bypass the aluminum because their extruded aluminum center is merely sandwiched between the plastic bottom and
top pieces (that's right, the screws thread into plastic), our aluminum center
has ten holes tapped for fine-thread Allen head machine-bolts. Thus, the center case of ours is the foundation to which the plastic pieces attach. Do you grok the difference? Our servo is a Hell of a lot stiffer meaning that under load the gear mesh doesn't vary - at all. Especially because we us 10
vs. 4 screws (to say nothing of Allen being better than Phillips heads). But there's more.
For example, the metal gears are fitted
to steel shafts, right? These tiny steel shafts fit into plastic pockets within the servo
top. Over time they become egg shaped due to the loads being imposed. They sell you a replacement case (we do also) but our plastic bits are better because we reinforce the gear component with bronze inserts. Why?
It's because as experienced modelers know, the
working life of a servo can easily exceed 10 years. Since the bronze inserts
are much harder than plastic (meaning they won't wear away like
plastic) this means you can depend on a much longer service life. Is this worth an extra three bucks? It's your call but we think this is something of a no-brainer because what if you can't find parts for their case in
10 years? Just saying.
line? These days metal gears doesn't really mean all-metal, and all servos with an aluminum center case aren't equal, either. Basically, today's marketing guys practice a sharp
form of word-smithing that means you have to be careful, or put another
way, all that glitters isn't gold!
In closing, unlike hobby-grade servos,
the DS180DLHV servos are built to a higher standard. They meet
MIL-STD-810G-Part 16 (Vibration) Test Method 514.6 as well as Test Method 516.6
(shock) because like you, we know all about impact from crashes and
engines vibrations that propagate throughout an air frame! This is why our
PCB (printed circuit board) has a conformal coating (potting compound in
the civilian world), it's why we reinforce the gear case with bronze, and it's why we CNC-machine the center fro aircraft aluminum. You won't find this level of detail in the above Spektrum servo, or the ones from Hitec and Futaba. When we suggest ours is built better, we back it up. It's your money, choose wisely.
A $40 DS180DLHV costs about $32 to make. A good quality competitor
like a Hitec D645MW also sells for $40 - while costing maybe $7. The
reason a $7 servo sells for $40 is due to a business focus on making and
pricing a product with a business model that prizes putting the product
on display in the local
hobby shop. We figure folks would rather receive more servo for their
money and buy off the internet. It's why Amazon succeeds. Same with us
and thus, instead of ponying up for a US-importer, who sells them to a
distributor, who sells them to hobby shops, who in turn sell them to you
(e.g. such that everybody gets a cut while you pick up the tab), with
ProModeler you're dealing direct!
course, this isn't rocket science. The Hitec is a pretty good servo but
realizing how the game is played thrifty modelers buy off-brand metal gear
servos for about $14 because they receive pretty much the
same as the $7 servo (thereby paying about what the US distributor would pay). So while cheapskates are
taking a risk of buying junk, and cautious modelers reflexively buy what they've always bought, the astute see the obvious - we spend 4X more on making a servo - and because they're not afraid of trying something new we gain converts amongst the savviest modelers.
Thus, if you
prefer a better servo to a cheaper servo, then for the same $40, you get
a Hell of a lot more servo for your money. Better components. Better servos. The formula is simple.
of us have felt that lurch of panic as we dropped a servo during
installation before we snatched it off the floor to inspect for damage. It's
this shared experience as modelers, which led us to build the DL-family
of servos to an aerospace-standard.
For example, to better
mitigate against shock (and vibration), we use what the military refer
to as a conformal coating to protect the delicate electronics
components mounted on the PCB (printed circuit board). Compared to the
square of foam rubber used in hobby-grade servos, this is much better
because it gets in all the nooks and crannies between components. We
call the white
stuff smeared over the electronic components monkey snot because it's
such a sticky mess to deal with during application.
Anti-vibration and impact protection are a big deal to our military
customers. Perhaps you aren't flying a million dollar UAV, but if you simply want
better servos for your pride and joy, monkey snot is one reason they
rely on ProModeler servos.
Also important is how we use
MIL-SPEC components - plus the best motor and potentiometer money can
buy. These are critical for the best centering performance possible. Yet
nothing is quite so telling as this simple fact . . . you can actually
buy these components from us. While hobby-grade servos offer cases and
gears, for all else you have to return it for service. ProModeler is different because we make these components available.
Considering sport pilots probably
don't fly enough to wear these components out in a decade, who are these spares for? Typically competition pilots -
ones who get in 4-5 practice-flights after work 3X a week (plus the same,
or more, on weekends). These guys fly so much they require PM (preventive maintenance) once a year. If your
winter-project list includes returning your servos for R&R, but you
can make three solder joints as well as the factory technician, then you
can save money with ProModeler servos because we know DIY is a big part of the
hobby. Making internal replacement parts available, so you can bring your servos up to
snuff without breaking the bank, is a benefit competition pilots will especially appreciate.
Beyond helping you restoring
your servos to like-new performance by making internal components available, do you
believe in better engineering? We do too. Unfortunately, unless your hobby dealer lets you open
it up to look before buying, the other guys don't make it very easy to
know what you're actually getting. Anyway, if you appreciate attention to
detail, yet another thoughtful touch (one that ensure your investment in
these servos delivers value) are the bronze bushings reinforcing the
gear shaft pockets.
recap, not only is the molding for the polymer pocket more robust on
our case, but the bronze inserts reinforcements are there so your servos
will last, and last, and last! Bottom line? Understanding the
difference between something's price and its value comes down to
grokking the details.
Along the same lines, a big difference for
why experienced modelers prefer ProModeler servos and something priced
about the same is found in how the center section is made. One the one
had an injection molded piece, on the other one that's better because
it's made of aluminum so the motor cools better when you're working the
servos hard, has cooling fins for shedding heat more quickly, and is
drilled and tapped to accept fine thread machine-screws for the ultimate
eyeball all the major components laid out side-by-side. We suspect it's
rather easy to see why your next set of servos should be from
ProModeler. If you're especially sharp eyed you'll have noted the
assembly uses 10 Allen-head bolts with machine-threads instead of 4
Phillips head screws with cheese-cutter threads. You'll see how each has
an O-ring - and - threads into aluminum instead of plastic. You also
also know to look out for gears represented as metal but which include a
plastic gear so fragile they sell replacements in 3-packs. You also
understand that servo manufacturers that shove a cheap piece of foam
beneath the electronics cover and call it good aren't just shortchanging
you, but playing roulette with your model by paying less than perfect
attention to vibration protection.
As you get a better idea of what to look for, you buy smarter. It's as
simple as discerning the differences between hobby-grade and
professional-grade. So let's tie it all together. Better parts. Better servos. The formula is simple. It's
a no-brainer and paying the same, or more, for another brand just
because it's what others do is a non-starter with savvy modelers.
You've found the servos you want for your next model.
Q. What's included?
A. Mounting hardware (grommets, eyelets, screws) plus control hardware (typical 4-horn and 6-horn star plus securing screw).
Q. I'd like to try your servos with my new project, the Javelin from Old School Model Works. http://www.oldschoolmodels.com/javelin.htm
your average sport pilot with loops, rolls, Immelmans, etc...but
looking to get more precise "pattern" in my flying. I'll be setting the
plane up with a 4 stroke gas engine (Saito FG-14C). A little overkill
but I like the sound and I think the plane can handle it. I figured the
DS90DLHV would be adequate for this setup and flying style but would
like your opinion as I'm not the most knowledgeable about it.
A. I agree with your assessment regarding the sufficiency of the DS90DLHV
for controlling the Old School Models Javelin - 60" wingspan resulting in
710 square inches of area - a model of built up construction. Good
Regarding the Saito FG-14C, this is a lovely engine. At .82ci, this four stroke gasser engine 'may' be a bit of overkill
for the Javelin (they recommend a .52ci four-stroke) but I agree with you the airframe can probably handle this engine just fine.
Especially if you are prudent with throttle.
While you didn't ask, battery wise, I would use the 1500mAh LiIon pack we offer, and if you
need extensions, we offer the best quality 20AWG silicone jacketed (the
heaviest gauge, which can be commercially crimped within the connector
for reduced current resistance). We also have switches, the good ones
(20A instead of 10A capability), e.g. the heavy duty ones with gold
plated leaves inside.
Note, this battery pack comes with two leads (granting redundancy in the
area of least reliability because switches are the least reliable
component in the model). A further advantage is they allow plenty of
current handling to the receiver (10A instead of 5A) which is not really
needed for the model you've selected - but nice nevertheless. This is a
far better idea than carrying two receiver battery packs, which is
becoming increasing popular. There's a white paper on our website
regarding this practice, which in general I think is dumb - http://www.promodeler.com/askJohn/Fear-of-loss
Further to the battery pack. The Saito requires a 5-9V battery for the ignition. They
recommend 1000mAh capacity, but it's my opinion, because of the
extreme duration delivered by this very thrifty engine (40 minutes with a
12oz fuel tank is not unusual), that another 1500mAh LiIon would be my
first choice. And whatever you do, DO NOT buy into the idea of using the
same battery along with a gizmo (there are many available) that permit
operating the control avionics and the ignition off the same battery.
Bad idea . . . please just trust me. Why? It's because these things provide the
perfect entry to the receiver of high frequency noise (stray RF from the
ignition) that's almost guaranteed to result in a crash. This little detail is never mentioned
by either the vendors of these devices or the modelers (many who love them)
but who also never put 2 and 2 together following an unexplained crash. Anyway, links below.
Extensions - http://www.promodeler.com/servo-extension.aspx
Switch - http://www.promodeler.com/DSSW20A
2S1500 Battery - http://www.promodeler.com/LiFePO4-2S2500-20C
101 HD servo arm (single) - http://www.promodeler.com/PDRS101
102 HD servo arm (double) - http://www.promodeler.com/PDRS102
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